Scryptcloud owes you:
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[quote name=“HopeStillFlies” post=“55793” timestamp=“1390962799”]
[quote author=new2crypto link=topic=7176.msg55792#msg55792 date=1390962456]
Please can you remove your post. I do not see how posting what amounts to advice on how to better cover your tracks in the event of setting up a scam is at all helpful!Get rid now before any other opportunistic, would-be con artists, with average intelligence, like FTClover, read it and get some ideas …
[/quote]Hahaha…no.This is what causes problems in the first place.
Learn how people do things in order to build defenses against them.
Tucking your head between your legs and hoping no one takes advantage of you is how you become a victim.
I don’t believe in letting those in the darkness have that kind of power. I’ll shine a light on their tricks. Like showing people how an illusion works. If you see how they pull off sawing a woman in half in a box, your mind can apply how to solve other similar illusions without them using the same ingredients, thereby protecting yourself from “the magic”.
I didn’t name any companies, either. It’d take footwork to pull that off. And then the long con. And because I now documented how it’s doable, and you’ve read it, now you have an open eye and a clear mind to catch someone before they get completely away.
Do not be so quick to label all that makes you uncomfortable as unnecessary and evil.
[/quote]It does not make me feel uncomfortable but it is just common sense. It did not take a lot of brain power for this person to dupe this money and you are only assisting other two bit cyber criminals in their possible endeavours to cover their tracks in the event that they try a scam such as this.
You even started your post by saying that you do not want to produce a ‘cook book’ on how to commit crimes like this, then you go on to do just that ::)
If you want to help people not get duped then simply promote tactics on protecting ones self by way of vetting people and using escrow services etc etc
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[quote name=“HopeStillFlies” post=“55788” timestamp=“1390962000”]
b) Pay for a VPN with BTC you acquired away from your identity.
[/quote]VPN? I didn’t know this, I would have thought using Tor would suffice.
Also, to who wanted those steps gone, remember security through obscurity doesn’t work.
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[quote name=“new2crypto” post=“55795” timestamp=“1390963395”]
It does not make me feel uncomfortable[/quote]
I beg to differ, you’re objecting and asking me to do something to accommodate you.
[quote]but it is just common sense. It did not take a lot of brain power for this person to dupe this money and you are only assisting other two bit cyber criminals in their possible endeavours to cover their tracks in the event that they try a scam such as this.[/quote]
Please, my post is spelling out the obvious with a garnish on the side of the manipulation tactics.
If they take my list there, verbatim, and try to pull the same scam on another community (oh snap! I forgot the last step, hang on… fixed), they’re still not going to get away with it. There’s at least two things that need to be addressed, that, if not, would still reveal the perpetrator.
[quote]You even started your post by saying that you do not want to produce a ‘cook book’ on how to commit crimes like this, then you go on to do just that ::)[/quote]
I think a “complete guide” would include links to the hows and wheres and a template for how to word things for the simple con artist to copypasta in order to pull it off.
I’m being pretty vague.
[quote]If you want to help people not get duped then simply promote tactics on protecting ones self by way of vetting people and using escrow services etc etc
[/quote]Nope, it’s not enough. Because a fool and his money are still easily parted.
You don’t play the fool hoping that others will bear the responsibility for your safety. You educate yourself.
Even if you lived in a city that is populated with 50% cops, a camera on every street and a tazer on your person, you still shouldn’t walk down dark alleys while proclaiming how much money you’ve got on you.
Escrows can be compromised, social engineered MITM, vouching is still vulnerable to the fact that people are human.
We may not be able to come to an accord on this.
[quote author=JohnsonX link=topic=7176.msg55796#msg55796 date=1390963590]
VPN? I didn’t know this, I would have thought using Tor would suffice.[/quote]
Tor is leaky. Flash on a site may give an identity away if someone worked hard enough to uncover the perp. Then there’s if the SOCKS5 connection fails and next thing you know the community sees you posting from a known Tor exit node.
Tor chain -> VPN -> SOCKS5 proxy may be a route to protect from that since a Tor exploit or the Flash issue will point to the VPN, but by then you’ve already added a superlative step.
Better for a site, the administrators, to see the VPN and assume it’s for work or they use it for torrenting or getting around filters or [i]whatever[/i], rather than see a Tor connection and automatically assume something is up.
Just an opinion and from scouring over information. I cannot give you a definitive without actually doing it myself, and I’ve not really had a need for it.
[quote]Also, to who wanted those steps gone, remember security through obscurity doesn’t work.
[/quote]Indeed.
"Well, I didn’t think you’d find my porn because [i]obviously[/i] my folder is labeled “TAX DOCUMENTS 2014.”
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On the internet you can find guides on how to make explosives with household items … But I do not think it helps protect anyone from potentially being injured by someone producing and using one, do you?
Teach people how to be vigilant, don’t teach other people how to commit crimes and get away with it …
We clearly have the same sentiment at heart, just differ slightly on methodology :P
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[quote name=“new2crypto” post=“55798” timestamp=“1390964249”]
On the internet you can find guides on how to make explosives with household items … But I do not think it helps protect anyone from potentially being injured by someone producing and using one, do you?[/quote][url=http://www.nationalhomelandsecurityknowledgebase.com/Research/International_Articles/Bomb_Basics.html]Yes.[/url]
[quote]Teach people how to be vigilant, don’t teach other people how to commit crimes and get away with it …
We clearly have the same sentiment at heart, just differ slightly on methodology :P
[/quote]No, because if you teach merely vigilance you only give sugar coated information. Nuggets that can be easily tossed aside as “oh, well, that couldn’t possibly be important”. You show how that bit is important, it solidifies it in the mind because you’ve essentially solved an equation and don’t just have a mix of constants and variables.
Vigilance won’t come from bullet points. The most dangerous enemy you know isn’t some untouchable boogeyman, it’s from the living, breathing, charismatic and likable guy that comes to all your functions and has a joke and a light for everyone in the room. You learn processes to see patterns. You use patterns to build defenses. You build defenses to prevent occurrences so that you’re not playing cat and mouse with a criminal, you prevented them from pursuing the tactics against you from the get go.
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Thank you Kevlar, you know we have done everything we can a Feathercoin forums to make sure this did not happen.
It is our only comfort that he/they, had to go around the market and escrow, forum members set up to stop these scams.
Members can help by reporting(report to moderator) the activity they think is suspect. The strikes aren’t made public, just highlight a review. Most spam posts are reviewed in minutes.
This means the part time, volunteer moderator team can quickly see if a problem is developing. Keeping the site safe is an important task members can easily help monitor.
I am already ill and disabled, this extra “stuff” it has also seriously deteriorated my health, worrying about what was going on, deciding and discusion on moderation etc.
Cheers again Kevalar, we’re not worthy.
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Lets remember FTCLover is the one frustrations should be thrown at. Tossing stone at each other is only going to further separate any uniting that is to occur in taking this too legal action before people start saying my “x” bitcoin isnt worth it, I got scammed, time to cut my losses.
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[quote name=“Artye” post=“55803” timestamp=“1390967888”]
Lets remember FTCLover is the one frustrations should be thrown at. Tossing stone at each other is only going to further separate any uniting that is to occur [/quote]That’s not what is happening, I doubt seriously n2c sees me as some adversary, we just have difference in tact of dealing with an issue, and that’s fine. When we get too circular (or more importantly for me, bored), we’ll stop.
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whats happening here? i paid 350 ftc for 1 month. is this project not going ahead?
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i should have known better i suppose. this ends my dealings with mining feathercoin. i only had 360 of them, and that took a long time to mine. not willing to start again.
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And with this, I’m closing the thread.
Kevlar, I want to express the gratitude of the entire team when I say that you went above and beyond the call of duty to try and sort this out in a way that salvaged something for everyone. Please do not take it too personally, you did more than pretty much any of us, including myself, were prepared to do. Thank you once again for displaying the dedication and the desire to succeed for the community which makes this community so special.
Having said this, I would need to stress that the ONLY thing to do now is to follow Kevlar’s advice, and pursue this matter within a legal framework, using the offer of information Kevlar has said he’ll make available to solicitors and lawyers. We will not be rehashing and discussing this matter ad infinitum on a public board, especially as there is most likely going to be a legal process surrounding this now.
If you feel the need to vent or discuss further, please do it in PMs, we will not be allowing any further public discussion on this, unless we receive notice of the outcome of legal moves, which will be communicated to the community.
I have often been described as (accused of?) a harsh moderator, and in this case I will live up to that reputation. I do this purely to protect the community, and any questions on this can be addressed to me personally by PM.
Stefan (wearing his Admin hat)
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There is a thread for registering interest in joining legal proceedings at the following link.
http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,7292.0.html
Note that this link is ONLY for posting your own name and intent to join, ALL other communication MUST be via PM.
This thread will be very rigorously Moderated.
