FTC's future
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Have we got any idea who would actually implement this?
Indeed. The conversation of DPoS originally came up because Lizhi was looking at it, as much as I would love to see this happen, with any open source project, it’s at the mercy of the dooers dooing.
I’m just excited by what I’m learning about the technology and I hope that others get excited too.
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The difficulty is we are still followers here. We are following someone else’s lead if we go DPoS not that there is anything wrong with that. But if we simply follow and copy where is the part where we actually add some USP.
Neoscrypt however it is now viewed was us forging our own path something distinct and different.
I think we are putting a lot of faith/pressure on lizhi if he is the only deveper we have on this open source project.
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As for making changes at all. I think we always need to look at new things and see what benefit we could get from them and not be too scared to change or we will end up as a legacy coin.
But we also don’t need to jump on every new technology that’s comes along. Its a balance between benefits / capacity / overdose of change.
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I think we are putting a lot of faith/pressure on lizhi if he is the only deveper we have on this open source project.
(I know that’s rich coming from a developer who is unable to contribute to the c/c++ stuff)Frustratingly we have haemorrhaged developers because the incentives are wrong. If you can’t offer a single incentive to your developers that will continue.
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Which I guess leads on to your other point, if you want us to stop following and start leading with unique tech, you need developers. To get and retain developers we need to give them the valuable tokens rather than cashing out to give to the shovel sellers and the energy companies fiat.
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It is a shame but most people commenting here have no idea what dpos in fact is and how it works.
its a shame people judge before they know the person just because they have an opposite view.
I’ve been on the dev team, an alpha, beta and security tester behind quiet a few cryptos, (i just mostly keep that part behind the scenes due to my outspokeness on btt) including hacking ripple at the time when all those millions went missing (for which if you check github you’ll see I received the bounty for)., also been part of the dev team on 3 pos coins, a few coins i wont even mention here, also alpha on blockchain voting and a beta tester on gemini.
Dpos yeah I do get it.
think about it, it aint going to save ftc, it IS centralisation no matter how bullshit you paint it (just like the US gov as explained earlier), no one will trust ftc, about 0.0002% of those in crypto actually believe the old innovation bullshit.
ITS MONEY CURRENCY not colonistion of MARS.
HOW LOUD DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO SCREAM AT YOU GUYS STOP YOU ARE THE GUYS KILLING FEATHERCOIN. its why i came here hoping after you guys burnt yourselves last time that this time you’d see sense (cause there was no hope of explaining it to you before the last failure).
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just like the US gov as explained earlier
I’ve stated previously why I think it’s nothing like your analogy for the US government and you didn’t reply. I’m always willing to learn why my views are wrong. :)
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Small groups doesn’t equal centralised IMO. I’m not hot on US politics, but you have two voting options from what I gather? Surely the choice of hundreds of independent parties to elect 101 independent representatives with no president would much much more decentralised than what you have now? On top of that the fixed term of DPoS in Bitshares is seconds rather than years. If you lose faith in your representative you can retract your vote.
small groups in control of a larger population is the very definition of centralisation. in my country we don’t have a president or similar yet this gov (which is voted from hundreds of independent parties) is still centralisation.
the whole ideal behind cryptos is to offer an alternatives to the central authority controlled fiat not to replicate it.
being in this thread and get the sense that I am wasting my breath, looks like, by those in control of the code, the deals been done, plan set in motion, a course you guys are hell bent on following and willing to ignore any opposition too (just like most government representatives once they get an idea),
you’ll only get defensive to any arguments put forward against your plan.
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small groups in control of a larger population is the very definition of centralisation. in my country we don’t have a president or similar yet this gov (which is voted from hundreds of independent parties) is still centralisation.
DPoS doesn’t vote for absolute control it votes on distribution of the incentives. You are only voting for who gets the tokens and the incentive. Centralisation is having a core development team who get to choose and impose their say on everyone by maintaining the git and releasing official binaries on the official website. In this respect DPoS could help us become more autonomous.
being in this thread and get the sense that I am wasting my breath, looks like, by those in control of the code, the deals been done, plan set in motion, a course you guys are hell bent on following and willing to ignore any opposition too (just like most government representatives once they get an idea),
I can assure you that’s certainly not the case in this instance, quite the opposite. This is a discussion board, where ideas can be discussed and I’m not a core developer. I’m laying out what I believe to be a strong case for DPoS to fix multiple issues in the hope to help others understand why I’m excited by it. Believe me, I have a monumental task ahead of me if this is likely to come to fruition.
you’ll only get defensive to any arguments put forward against your plan.
Please don’t presume my future actions, I’m not one to get defensive, it’s no reason not to put forward your argument.
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Vote on money is fundamentally daft.
That’s not even what money is about.
Voting turns people into idle zombies.
Code is centralized because it’s crap.
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Also, having sound tech doesn’t bring customers… sure bad tech sends them packing, but we need to focus on value adding features. What does the crypo community want in an altcoin? What does a potential customer want? Seamless transactions which they can use for anything; the visa/mastercard of the crypto world? Current users are simply speculative traders which is a destructive niche and one that is already a totally saturated market. So where then can FTC provide value? That is the question we need to be answering; all the awesome tech in the world won’t make people necessarily use it, and then its still a gold plated poop.
Minimum Viable Product, and go from there. I had high hopes for the Hull City trial… how is that going and who is in touch with them?
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being in this thread and get the sense that I am wasting my breath, looks like, by those in control of the code, the deals been done, plan set in motion, a course you guys are hell bent on following and willing to ignore any opposition too (just like most government representatives once they get an idea),
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There are thoughs to implement DPoS, ys, but there are discussions about the pro and cons on many levels, so please use your presence here to help finding the best way to go for the coin.
Also all code is open source, so there is only limited control of the code possible. I’d name it more ‘coordination and testing’ rather than control.
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agree with most of zerodramas and T4rQu1N latest response,.
add to T4rQu1N’s; give average joe simplicity over lastest complicated tech.
1000% agree with this “Current users are simply speculative traders which is a destructive niche and one that is already a totally saturated market”.
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But how do we look to buff off the edges and add the user features that make this technology applicable for Joe Public? There is no incentive for developers outside of this being a hobby, whilst that has got us this far it’s not sustainable.
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I’m gonna do a mock up of an idea.
It’s a wallet interface unlike any other.
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Here is my opinion!
I can’t tell you, what killerapp you should invent. But I can tell you how I, as a naive invester made my crypto choices.
Most people who will invest money in Bitcoin (and feathercoin) in the future wont be tech guys. These people will probably
behave like I did in my early days. They understand the philosophy of cryptocurrencies, but dont know the difference of
“Proof of Work” and “Proof of Stack” ;-)
So for me, when I made my first choices, I ALWAYS watched some Youtubevids about a specific coin and then
visited the Website of that coin. And as stupied as it sounds, the websit impression was key for my final decision.
Here are some thoughs, what I am missing;-)
Website:
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seems not uptodate. Last newsletter is from 24. Mai 2014
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pictures (header) is in low quality.
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the whole desigh does not support the “feather”-logo. Too dark and heavy, a feather is white and light.
http://aphotoaday.sandhillsnaps.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/november/feather-bw.jpg
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there is no story behind the feather-logo.
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video about how to buy feathercoin. Tell the people, that they probably buy Bicoins first and the go to cryptsy.
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Sometimes there is just too much to read. For example “meet the team”. Nobody is gonna read all of that!
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The price of feathercoin should show up at the frontpage!
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Video how to install the client and how it works. Remember, the investors are tech-dummies.
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The Client looks like all the other clients of the early coins. Grey and borring. The feather-symbol is not visible.
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News banner like ethereum.org. Calem said in the forum about some future developments. Why dont you make
a secret out of it? Just tell the world what it’s about, with leaving out all the details.
Hope I coud help you with my comments. First impression is what counts. As long a there is no activity visible on the website,
I of couse hesitate to further invest in feathercoin.
Feathercoin was one of the first coins, so there are a lot of people still hold they feathercoins
On Cryptsy all feathercoins to buy make a total of $1500. The Marketcap of feathercoin is $180’000.
So there is less than 1% of the coins for sale. Thats still a good situation.
So please dont get lost 100% in technical discussions. The marketing (Website) counts a lot. Britney Spears was never a good musician ;-)
Greetings Hans
What does this mean for feathercoin!
Before inventing new killerapps for feathercoin, you have to make sure that www.feathercoin.com is uptodate!!
This is sadly not the case! The last newsletter is a long time ago. As a investor, this would tell me, that the core
developers are gone.
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Thanks for the quality feedback Hans.
I’m working on a new site that addresses those issues, I totally agree.
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Cool! I really dont want to sound cautionary, but I really think the website is one of the keyelement.
I always wondered, that many of even the successful cryptocurrency-websites dont look passional.
bad examples are:
I personally like these Websites. They often dont have too much content at the frontpage and contain light colors!! Dark colors are not trustworthy! ;-)
Greetings Hans
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… and for the wallet I found this design for "dem"coin. Just the fact, that they tried to look different than all the other boring wallets, was a good sign.
http://forum.deutsche-emark.org/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=1557
I dont mean, that the wallet of feathercoin has to look like this. But a light new design with a feather would attract the users!
Greetings Hans
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100% agree with hansmeiser valuable feedback and insight into how people from a non tech background can percieve a crypto on first impression, because we’d all agree for a crypto to be properly successful it needs to please a wide audience. a wider audience then just the bitcointalk coins try to please and gather feedback from.
(though funny we all have different taste, I like litecoin.org and hate ripple.com website).
even though a website has to look pleasing to the eye I can not overestimate how simple/basic it still has to be to attract a wide audience, not everyone has highspeed internet or a super grunty computer. too flashy a website don’t cut it when you need it to be accessable to everyone.
